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		<title>By: spiritcalls</title>
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		<description>Rod,

I have just finished reading your 2002 article comparing Sri Aurobindo and Ken Wilber ... I have read some of both of them, probably more of Wilber.

I know from personal experience what the &quot;spiritual&quot; meanings amount to and I believe that Wilber has made his concept too complicated ... at least in comparison to my own findings.

I see the &quot;outer&quot; macrocosmic reality as that of the dissociative ego, a 5 sensory external objective picture based upon the physically manifested ... the thinker is the unrecognised &quot;link&quot; between his a posteriori perceptions and their actual source, the a priori spirit of the &quot;microcosm&quot;.

Where those two people see things as &quot;originating&quot; on high and descending to lower less &quot;spiritual&quot; levels of a more bipolar fashion of duality ... I see all originating from the &quot;Alpha&quot; realm of &quot;nothing&quot; (such as like the Big Bang) where &quot;God&quot; (the Creative Force of Intelligence and Order) came from a relative NOthing expanding into a relative ALLthings (Potentially everything as well as nothing) ...

Key to this might be the idea of panentheism in that all things are but a part of God who would be 
&quot;our&quot; UNIverse (Unity/Oneness) ...

WithIN that Unity overall would be the potentials, both the positive of creativity as well as the negative of destruction ... and fully withIN the complete range is the Spirit of God as the Karmic accounting Intelligence and Energy, symbolized as the equal sign &quot;=&quot; inbetween the potentials as (+=-) ... that which I call the BET (Basic Equation of Truth), the Truth of how our Universe really operates ! A &quot;Trinity&quot; !

The &quot;normal&quot; egotistical world view common among peoples is that of Duality (+/-) which has been foisted upon us by the western view of Christianity ever since Aristotle was mis-understood by Augustine, good VS evil, Christ VS Satan ... claiming subjective spirituality but really objective religion.

Duality of (+/-) comes from the divisive and separative view taught all of our children early on where (+=+) and (-=-), and like the East and West, they never meet ... but they do in the transcendent mind related to the compassionate, cooperative, and unconditionally loving Spirit of God ... the higher Self experience of the truly enlightened ...


So in the sense that we came from the Alpha God as &quot;It&quot; expanded into the Universe, we are still &quot;headed&quot; out into space and time, the macro units of &quot;differentiation&quot;, towards a reunification with the &quot;Outer&quot; God, the Omega that contains us ... as we have the &quot;momentum&quot; of the genesis, we also have the attraction of the completion ...

In the meantime though, those of us that come to know the truth that sets us free via an &quot;awakening&quot;, have the opportunity to return and re-evaluate our next experience, maybe being able to choose an even higher calling ... those that do not so wake-up will most likely have their next experience in a similar &quot;realm&quot; of physicality until they finally &quot;get it&quot; ...

Enough for now, but I have written a crude book about it all and offer it for purchase along with free downloads on my also crude website at: http://www.spiritcalls.us  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiritcalls.us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.spiritcalls.us&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for reading ... please check it out as I believe my BET is a truer theory of everything than Ken&#039;s is.

Peace, j.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>I have just finished reading your 2002 article comparing Sri Aurobindo and Ken Wilber &#8230; I have read some of both of them, probably more of Wilber.</p>
<p>I know from personal experience what the &#8220;spiritual&#8221; meanings amount to and I believe that Wilber has made his concept too complicated &#8230; at least in comparison to my own findings.</p>
<p>I see the &#8220;outer&#8221; macrocosmic reality as that of the dissociative ego, a 5 sensory external objective picture based upon the physically manifested &#8230; the thinker is the unrecognised &#8220;link&#8221; between his a posteriori perceptions and their actual source, the a priori spirit of the &#8220;microcosm&#8221;.</p>
<p>Where those two people see things as &#8220;originating&#8221; on high and descending to lower less &#8220;spiritual&#8221; levels of a more bipolar fashion of duality &#8230; I see all originating from the &#8220;Alpha&#8221; realm of &#8220;nothing&#8221; (such as like the Big Bang) where &#8220;God&#8221; (the Creative Force of Intelligence and Order) came from a relative NOthing expanding into a relative ALLthings (Potentially everything as well as nothing) &#8230;</p>
<p>Key to this might be the idea of panentheism in that all things are but a part of God who would be<br />
&#8220;our&#8221; UNIverse (Unity/Oneness) &#8230;</p>
<p>WithIN that Unity overall would be the potentials, both the positive of creativity as well as the negative of destruction &#8230; and fully withIN the complete range is the Spirit of God as the Karmic accounting Intelligence and Energy, symbolized as the equal sign &#8220;=&#8221; inbetween the potentials as (+=-) &#8230; that which I call the BET (Basic Equation of Truth), the Truth of how our Universe really operates ! A &#8220;Trinity&#8221; !</p>
<p>The &#8220;normal&#8221; egotistical world view common among peoples is that of Duality (+/-) which has been foisted upon us by the western view of Christianity ever since Aristotle was mis-understood by Augustine, good VS evil, Christ VS Satan &#8230; claiming subjective spirituality but really objective religion.</p>
<p>Duality of (+/-) comes from the divisive and separative view taught all of our children early on where (+=+) and (-=-), and like the East and West, they never meet &#8230; but they do in the transcendent mind related to the compassionate, cooperative, and unconditionally loving Spirit of God &#8230; the higher Self experience of the truly enlightened &#8230;</p>
<p>So in the sense that we came from the Alpha God as &#8220;It&#8221; expanded into the Universe, we are still &#8220;headed&#8221; out into space and time, the macro units of &#8220;differentiation&#8221;, towards a reunification with the &#8220;Outer&#8221; God, the Omega that contains us &#8230; as we have the &#8220;momentum&#8221; of the genesis, we also have the attraction of the completion &#8230;</p>
<p>In the meantime though, those of us that come to know the truth that sets us free via an &#8220;awakening&#8221;, have the opportunity to return and re-evaluate our next experience, maybe being able to choose an even higher calling &#8230; those that do not so wake-up will most likely have their next experience in a similar &#8220;realm&#8221; of physicality until they finally &#8220;get it&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Enough for now, but I have written a crude book about it all and offer it for purchase along with free downloads on my also crude website at: <a href="http://www.spiritcalls.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiritcalls.us</a>  <a href="http://www.spiritcalls.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiritcalls.us</a></p>
<p>Thanks for reading &#8230; please check it out as I believe my BET is a truer theory of everything than Ken&#8217;s is.</p>
<p>Peace, j.</p>
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