What is the relationship of spirit and form, form to spirit?

May 2, 2009

“We turn clay to make a vessel, but it is on the space, where there is nothing, that the usefulness of the vessel depends.” - Lao Tzu   

“Nothing is more real than nothing.” – Samuel Beckett      

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“So the call of all Nondual traditions is: Abide as Emptiness, embrace all Form. The liberation is in the Emptiness, never in the Form, but Emptiness embraces all forms as a mirror all its objects…You and the universe are One Taste.”

(Ken Wilber: A Brief History of Everything, 2007, p. 361).

 Ken Wilber

4 Responses to “What is the relationship of spirit and form, form to spirit?”

  1. Peter Says:

    By Pratyahara or the ‘withdrawal of the senses’. :-)

    • Roger Says:

      We always have to return. Duality is the blessing as well as the curse!

      The search for reason ends at the shore of the known;
      on the immense expanse beyond it
      only the sense of the ineffable can glide.
      It alone knows the route to that
      which is remote from experience and understanding.

      Neither is amphibious:
      reason cannot go beyond the shore,
      and the sense of the ineffable
      is out of place where we measure, where we weigh…….

      Citizens of two realms, we must all sustain dual allegiance:

      we sense the ineffable in one realm;
      we name and exploit reality in another.

      Between the two we set up a system of references,
      but can never fill the gap.
      They are as far and as close to each other as time and calendar, as violin and melody, as life and what lies beyond the last breath.

      The tangible phenomena we scrutinize with our reason,
      The sacred and indemonstrable we overhear with the sense of the ineffable.

      Heschel A. J. (1971), Man is Not Alone, New York: Octagon Books p.8

  2. Peter Says:

    The form is illusion, the Spirit is reality. :-)

    • Roger Says:

      Hi Peter – thanks for taking the time to comment.

      Ahhhh – but how do we become conscious of that unchanging reality? I enjoy the infinite forms as well – without which I would have no sense of the infinite spirit behind them. With only human consciousness no forms, no spirit, no nothing!


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